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putrid · Jan 22, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by MarkyX

Make the character you want to play RIGHT now. No "tainted flesh" necro or W/R with tiger's fury. Your own personal thing that you created.

Now try to find a group. Right now.

You won't.

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What serious group? All the groups that are serious are running IWAY or ranger trappers.

Your r7 right? Dude, if all you see is IWAY you need to better learn how to LFG.

I wanted to go to sleep 10 mins ago but now I have read this and just felt I needed to say something.

Really, if you want to run something different start your own team, you have the rank to do it. And I can go online with a Rt/R spirit spammer and get 'inside' tombs within half an hour. It isn't that hard.

To me it sounds like you create your charachter THEN lfg.

If you have so many unlocks, just spam about 'r7 anything lfg', get a group, THEN figure out what youre playing and re-roll. I have no idea how you got r7 and didn't figure that out. Oh, and I also recommend you get a guild :\.

I wouldn't mind an 8 way random battle where you can gain fame (slower than in actual tombs hopefully), on the tombs maps, but I sure as hell wouldn't play it.

lishi · Jan 22, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

really if your no one what your stance warrior you should start your group , if all people leave after few match , maybe it mean dont work.

Remember other player arent bot , they are real people who wish to win.

if you want USE your build and no one is willing to help you , that mean NO ONE WILL DO. Changing the system to force other people lose their time for you is egoisting , childish and stupid

Esrever · Jan 22, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

The thought of 32 man Random Tomb battles makes my brain hurt, for fairly obvious reasons.

/nosign

Teh Azman · Jan 22, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Okay, in my previous post I overlooked on whether or not I think it should be seperate from Heroes Ascent, I do. Seriously though, to all of you who are against a separate one, what would it hurt? You still have your arranged team tombs. I remember when I got the game (loooooooong before random arenas were made crappy) my favorite thing to do in pvp was to just jump into the crag 8 vs. 8 (I think it was 8v8, been awhile) relic thingy and just have some semi mass pvp fun with 15 random players. Due to the aforementioned destruction of random arenas, and the FOTM crap (someone make a new one, for God's sake it's been like two months that all you idiots have been doing the same IWAY build.) pvp for new players just kinda... sucks.

Orbberius · Jan 22, 2006, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Horrible idea

Lady Lozza · Jan 22, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

To the OP -
What you seem to be missing is the fact that IWAY and spike builds are designed to be pugs. All anyone has to do to form one is fill in the blank spaces. If you want to get into a team that runs their own builds, you will need things (possibly 3):
1) Time to look for a group that suits you,
2) Patience in discussing builds and skills to glory before going in,
3) You might need vent/ts.
As an R7 warrior you will have no trouble finding a team, as long as you are prepared to listen to the suggestion and advice of the group you join - this might include changing 2ndary to ele or mes (from monk I'm assuming).
The reason people don't usually run with paladins in Tombs is that, in a balanced team, there are 3 monks. If you need to heal or prot yourself, then they are obviously not doing their job. It is a waste to have monk skills in your bar, skills which would be better spent else where.

djgenghis78 · Jan 22, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

i agree with the OP in that it would be nice to have an 8v8 random as an option. It really takes a while to get a game right now especially if you wanna try a non-standard build. Still, i think team strategy is where GW can really shine. It's just that sometimes you just want to play 8v8 and don't have 7 other friends/guildies around. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

On the elitism issue, it's actually interesting that people point to elitism as a reason for people leaving GW because the argument I hear most for why people leave is that you can't be elite enough in this game. Meaning that level cap or lack of new content, or items/armour/etc. to really differentiate your character drives some players away. So it seems to me that Anet can't really win on this issue and should just make the game they way they want and if they want to play something else because of those decisions, then so be it.

stokey · Jan 22, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

I think the R7 flaunt was a ruse to give him more credit than he deserves.

/notsigned

Tuesg · Jan 22, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Any idea would be to instead of making the current Heroes' Ascent random add in another one, one that gives you all the same rewards as the normal one expect favor of course.

That way if people wanted an organised group they could go to Heroes' Ascent and if they wanted some fun, faction and fame the could go to the random one with out standing about for an hour shouting, "To you I'm a useless character but let me in anyway".

Fantus · Jan 22, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

While I am utterly opposed to convert the existing Tombs into a random arena, an ADDITIONAL 8v8 random arena would be a cool thing, IMO. Not everyone is or wants to be in a PvP only guild. And not everyone is Rank 9 and can easily get into a group. I regulary try to get into Tombs groups and give up after like an hour of fruitlessly yelling LFG. A random 8x8 arena would at least give an option for those of us who have no chance to get into a group under the current system. GW really needs some more PvP options for casual PvP players other than 4x4 random arena.

General Typhus · Jan 22, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Proof please.

Proof please.

It's called the metagame. It will shift in time.

It works fine. I certainly hear more praises than complaints. Nerfs, by the way, are for a completely different purpose and bear no weight to your argument. Nerfs occur due to unforseen strength between multiple skills--Anet only has so many playtesters, they're bound to miss some things.

GUILD GUILD GUILD

GvG and Tombs are two radically different arenas, by the way. They may seem similar (8-man tactics) but they're very, very different. Builds that work in GvG may not work at all in Tombs, and vice-versa.

Join a guild. Or stop playing. Or get over it.

Not really, no.

/retort signed

Sagius Truthbarron · Jan 22, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Just one look at this thread.. I think it speaks for itself.

Getting rid of the Hall of Heroes and replacing it with Random Tournament is a bad idea...

Eder · Jan 22, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Ok, adding the option for random teaming in HoH is one thing. That would probably not harm anyone (It'd be "Yay, I can play with the big guys!" or "Yay, free faction!" all around)... but making HoH a random-only place? That's insane.

If you want randomness ("diversity and excitement!! oooh!!!") and matches decided by luck, go play in Random Arenas. The idea is simple enough: tiny inconsequential PvP matches can be decided by luck, but big important ones have to be decided by tactics.

HoH is high-end. It decides favor and gives people a chance to make good money and gain fame. Therefore, it should be based on tactics and not luck.

And yes, everyone else copies everyone else's tactics... because they work. Do you have any more valid arguments?

Oh, right - it intimidates new players. Well, there's a reason the other types of PvP exist. You're free to practice as much as you like until you're good enough for the HoH (either with your own build or with one you copied from someone else... because you realized that his/her build works better than what you had). Nobody's holding a gun to your head making you play HoH. Want to? Great, then you're welcome to - but if your build/team sucks, you'll get owned. Sound fair to me. Anything else?

Oh, rank restriction? I wasn't aware of anything like that. In the GW I play, I can just team up with 7 guildies and try my luck at the HoH. No rank requirement involved. If we happen to be 7 good players, who despite being rank 0 have got enough practice and have come up with/copied good enough builds, we'll succeed and win favor and eventually become famous/rich.

Of course, if you have no guild, no good builds (and some weird morality that won't let you copy someone else's good build - oh, how dare you play "Tainted Necro #1382" when you could be original and play "Corpse #1927 at Tainted Necro #1381's feet" instead!), and you don't feel like getting any practice in random arenas to try to improve, because you wanna go straight in for the big time or something, HoH is gonna suck for you. For you.

Really, everyone is welcome to play in Random Arenas if they are that offended by the fact that IWAY or whatever the current FOTM is works.

/not signed a dozen times

MarkyX · Jan 22, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

It's kind of strange that people who want random arenas (at least a seperate one) tournaments are usually casual gamers or people who just want to play. The ones that refuse the idea are arrogant people who are saying I should conform and nothing more.

And I guarantee you that the people who say "I'm bad", I've probably beaten you with my builds in the past, whether it was my eng denial/enchantment stripper, interrupt ranger, or fire nuker. Don't lay that argument with me, but it just doesn't fly with me. I didn't get to rank 7 by playing noobish builds.

MarkyX · Jan 22, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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(either with your own build or with one you copied from someone else... because you realized that his/her build works better than what you had).

How do you know? I bought in some MTG hardcore players (one being a judge, which in case you don't know, is a high position in the Magic the Gathering community). They had some awesome ideas and wanted to join a group.

Problem was, they were rank 0.

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Nobody's holding a gun to your head making you play HoH. Want to?

I PAID for it though, so it is my right to play in it.

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Oh, rank restriction? I wasn't aware of anything like that. In the GW I play, I can just team up with 7 guildies and try my luck at the HoH.

What about those new players without contacts or not in a guild (since you need to be rank 3 according to some people)? Left out.

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Really, everyone is welcome to play in Random Arenas if they are that offended by the fact that IWAY or whatever the current FOTM is works.

All I'm asking is an 8 on 8 random tournament. There doesn't have to be a sigils or favor in the end, but you can still get fame and allows people to do what THEY want. You know, FREEDOM.

Edgar · Jan 22, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I find this ridiculous -the idea of creating a random tombs- for a simple reason:
the only interesting thing in tombs is, like a lot of you all said, building strategies in order to WIN.
People who are complaining about the difficulty to find a group, or to be accepted in a team with an uncommun build just don't realize every high-ranked player certainly have experienced these problems too.
I'm rank 6 and my beginnings in tombs were not easy at all. But if you are patient and cunning, you can progress very fast.
once rank 3 (and it's not a big deal), u shall enter fine groups and already have a few contacts in your friendlist that allows you to group quite quickly. Of course, if you always leave your team when you loose, you won't get a lot.

Then, being in a guild with same ranked people allows to progress faster, AND to test builds you wanted to.

About Iway : no comment ... I can't remember the last time i lost against it...
Go forward-they set up spirits-back up-ball around warder- monks spamming healing group with cana-warrior killing spirits-some Mesmers dealing with trappers-and that's done.

Like someone said, we often encounter same build configurations in tombs.
Why do you think it's because players have no imagination??
It's m e t a g a m e, it means these builds are simply the best options to win. They have been evoluting months after months, adapting to other dominant builds, but it doesn't mean it won't change. (especially with AS and Rit who will completely change the metagame in a few weeks).
Tombs are made for players who want a competitive challenge, organised and
balanced (which is the case atm), not a random joke without teamspeak, with leavers, and ....luck !
I'd admit Anet create this sort of tomb Apart from REAL tombs, but i would not throw any eye in this, for sure.

(excuse my terrible english, i did my best xD)

Fantus · Jan 22, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Eder

Oh, rank restriction? I wasn't aware of anything like that. In the GW I play, I can just team up with 7 guildies and try my luck at the HoH. No rank requirement involved. If we happen to be 7 good players, who despite being rank 0 have got enough practice and have come up with/copied good enough builds, we'll succeed and win favor and eventually become famous/rich.

While I agree with most things you've said, this one statement I'm really fed up with. Every time I hear anyone making a point that the current Tombs systems is - lets's say - a bit harsh towards "new" players (a.k.a. unranked players), someone HAS to bring up that stupid "get into a PvP guild" argument.

Well, GW was NOT designed for PvP only players. It was NOT designed for PvP only guilds. It was designed for players who love both PvP AND PvE.

I AM IN A GUILD. It's a wonderful guild made of wonderful people who have become friends to me since way longer than GW exists. It just isn't a PvP only guild. We are like 30 people - some like PvE only, some like PvE and PvP. But we are an international guild - which means, despite our 30 members it's a rare occassion that we have 8 people online at the same time who would like to do Tombs. Yes, that means, if one of us wants to do tombing, we HAVE to rely on PUGs despite our guild is not THAT small.

I don't think we're the only guild who is like this. As a matter of fact, I KNOW that we're not the only guild who is like this. The current system does cater for the PvP only people who play 6 hours of PvP each day and have a fancy tiger emote to show off. It doesn't cater for anyone else.

Which is why a random 8x8 arena is a good idea. As I said above, I don't want to replace the current Tombs with it, but in the not-so-rare occassion an unranked player is shut off from Tombs groups again, it might be nice to be able to hit an "Enter mission" button and be able to feel like a part of the game again.

Kakumei · Jan 22, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

Plz don't ask for proof of anything btw. If you want proof, send me a subpoena. This is a forum, not a courtroom. If something is outlandish, call them on it and let everyone else make up their minds. Calling for proof is almost as bad as Godwin's Law. If they are wrong and you don't have a strong enough argument to show they are wrong (and if you think that people will ACTUALLY believe them if they are so wrong), show the proof yourself to prove they are wrong.

Kindly learn how to debate. I'm not the one making claims with zero evidence to back me up--I'm not the one who needs to find some kind of 'proof'.

=HT=Ingram · Jan 22, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

I love it . now when you party of 8 groups with NO monk come in you will be easy prey no matter what... This is sarcasm if you didn't catch that... Random HA groups? whatever man. go back to the arenas and play with the children that have no friends in the game. If you can't manage to pull 8 friends together to organize a group, then you don't belong there. cause from the sound of it you have not played the game as a TEAM player. Prob just gone through it all with henchies... now you expect PvP to be as easy as the rest of the game... ITS NOT and NEVER WILL BE.

and as to the flavor of the month Build Iway. its not perfect... infact the Zaishen Challenge areas WHICH WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO HEROES ASCENT, includes a challenge to beat NPCs using iway. Flavor of the month builds are what make this game. finding the next one, and how to defeat the current one... Now with new classes coming into the mix... its assured to allow for more new build combos...

And Finally Our guild and Alliance soon to be faction includes 12 guilds and over 200 members. about 30 officers, which consist of the GvG PvP people. all the rest are PvE, and are welcomed and helped constantly. so I am not a die hard PvP only person. In fact I'm only rank 2. with only 115 fame. so that's proof I don't play much PvP but when I do its ALWAYS rewarding to play with the PvPers amongst our existing alliance. We have extended most of the old Farming class members to the NEW Tombs area... And we LOVE it. prob one of the best things to happen to tombs IMO.

And the Heroes Ascent which most have initialed HA or hoh now has a higher calibur player arriving in it, Assuming they came through the challenge Elite path. (During the current event many just got easy access to HA immediately, this will not be the case at launch of Chapter 2) People have to Earn there way their... not just have it given to them and have 0 Clue how it works or what to do. Now at least the training requirement will assure competent players in HoH.

Nuff rant.. and flame. lets just lock this ridiculous thread and move on...

PS: Yes I edited my post, so u want to delete it go ahead. I'm done now. I doubt anyone cares what is said anymore in here anyways...

Fantus · Jan 22, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

I love it . now when you party of 8 groups with NO monk come in you will be easy prey no matter what... This is sarcasm if you didn't catch that... Random HA groups? whatever man. go back to the arenas and play with the children that have no friends in the game. If you can't manage to pull 8 friends together to organize a group, then you don't belong there. cause from the sound of it you have not played the game as a TEAM player. Prob just gone through it all with henchies... now you expect PvP to be as easy as the rest of the game... ITS NOT and NEVER WILL BE. Nuff rant.. and flame. lets just lock this ridiculous thread and move on...

Deleting your immature flame post should do for the moment.